WHO benifits & WHO suffers from illegal aliens in this country?
Specifically I want to know who you feel benefits & who you feels suffers from having millions of illegals in this country. My opinion on who benefits and suffers is:
1. Employers – Labor is like any other commodity. The more laborers we have the lower the cost of labor. Or course that means people earn less on average. Study after study shows a decline in wages for trades that employ illegals. Janitors, construction and meatpacking are just a few that used to pay middle class wages.
2. The illegals themselves. It goes without saying that their standard of living goes up. Of course that means that someone else is not getting the services they use. Our less fortunate CITIZENS have less access to health care, education and welfare because illegals are taking those services meant for citizens.
3. The country the illegal comes from. They send billions back to their home countries. Which helps that countries economy but hurts ours. If that employee was an American all of that money would stay here and be spent here, not somewhere else.
4. Everyone who buys anything produced or handled by those making the lower wages benefits. Our produce is indeed cheaper then it would be by a small amount. The downside is that we pay more in taxes to support the illegals through their childrens education (WAY over $10,000 per child per year!!!), their healthcare (no matter how few visits they make to our hospitals WE have to pay for it), their crimes (when they rob, rape, steal ID, etc) and other costs.
What do you think?
Are the studies wrong? Do more laborers actually make our wages go up magically? Will millions of people who aren’t here legally actually help the average Joe? Will our energy costs go down when 20 million people self-deport or will their staying make our energy costs continue to skyrocket?
Thoughts?
Blitz – so its OK to you that our own citizens and kids, who used to make a decent wage doing those jobs, cannot get that work anymore?
And its OK that those wage deflations carry over to the waitresses and foremen so that they earn less too?
Greasy tony – as usual you entertain me with your reference to BLOGS (ie: sources that are cherry picked) and you also continue to confuse LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants.
As for sources: Here is one that has all the info you could ever want and more.
http://www.cis.org/Costs
As for your answers.
1. Since most illegals don’t pay income tax and SS (They only way they pay those are if they are also ID theft criminals) they pay very little into that system.
2. Illegals use far more in medical then they ever pay – see #1 above as to why.
3. Yes it does matter. If AMERICANS had those jobs then the BILLIONS that they send home would stay here and create more jobs HERE!!!
4. That’s an outright lie. Just consider education. Illegal children (and anchor babies) cost at least $10,000 per year and far far more in most areas. (LA county is around $14,000 now). How many illegals even pay enough to cover ONE CHILD??? Very few to none!!!
5. Again we pay for that by everyone earning less!!
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Well, they steal our wealfare and best jobs to boot; like landscaping, dishwashing and picking our fruit.
I don’t think that’s such a bad thing, but oh well.
We all “benefit” with cheaper services. The people that suffer are the ones who want all the services (including welfare and food stamps) for themselves.
The victim of crime never benefits.
That’s easy – the wealthy benefit and the middle and lower class pays.
Do you have any resources to back those numbers up? or are they made up? Please provide some resources!
1. Retired legal citizens benefit from the taxes illegals pay. A lot of the taxes illegals pay into the system, stay in the system to help pay for retirement checks. They are a benefit especially with all the baby boomers reaching retirement.
2. Medicare and the people on Medicare benefit from the taxes aswell. Illegal immigrants are a big reason why it’s still around.
3. The money sent to their home counties doesn’t affect the U.S. at all because the economy benefits from the illegal immigrants. They are consumers who buy cloths, food, houses, cars, electronics and the list goes on and on. Illegal Hispanics are part of the Hispanic purchasing power that is expected to reach more than $1 trillion by 2011. What is sent back is only a drop in the bucket.
4. Immigrants Pay More in Taxes Than They Use in Services Over Their Lifetimes: Depending on skills and level of education, each immigrant pays, on average, between $20,000 and $80,000 more in taxes than he or she consumes in public benefits.
5. Employers benefit from illegal immigrants greatly because todays Citizens have easier alternatives, they don’t want to wake up at 3:00am and work 14 hour days in grueling temperatures.
Do Immigrants Pay Their Fair Share of Taxes? You Bet They Do!
Hispanic entrepreneurship, buying power on the rise
They may be illegal, but we still need them
All illegals do is give into the politicians and corporations that use them as cheap slaves and rip at the economy while the elite get rich, welcome to new world order people, nobody will have a chance except the elite. You are fighting a losing battle, illegals will always be poor and they are dragging everyone else down with them.
When we include all factors. Illegals cost in deportation hearings,money for public defenders, money for translators,airfare to mexico.Jail costs, unpaid hospital bills,millions of free breakfast,lunches,parents collect welfare ,food stamps, from having a child here,the money is meant for the child,but the parents spend the money how they see fit.Money in increase crime,code violations,drinking and driving,fleeing from accidents,driving with no license or insurance,meaning the legal person is left to pay thousands in medical bills,Car repairs, free birth to their kids with free insurance until 18,using fraud for employment adding more dependents then there really is,stealing id’s of Americans causing untold $$ problems with IRS,unpaid bills racked up,unpaid tickets or being arrested with American having to spend $$$$ to prove it was not them. Billions to La Raza.What you don’t know is that the scantuary cities policy has resulted in section 8 housing being given primarily to non citizens from all over the planet – El Salvador, Peru, Guatamala, Mexico, China. All those poor people in Ohio, Appalachia, New York, New Orleans, all those poor people in the midwest, they got nothing except a tax bill. In fact, checking for citizenship would be a civil rights violation.Americans that are tired of seeing our borders being ignored and every aspect of American life becoming bilingual. Our country has never bent over backwards for any ethnic group as they have for the hispanics and its costing a fortune to achieve from government, to hospitals to schools. We even have companies that only hire bilingual employees. Somebody better do something soon before you place a call and it says “press 2 for English”
Academic work has been done on this question. The “benefit”
from LEGAL immigration is a small fraction of 1%. Illegal immigration and “asylum” seekers cost the UK a lot.
Most “asylum seekers” are liars wanting to live in the UK.
Illegal migrants actually cost the country in social services and facilities.Schools , translation facilities NHS extra police etc.There is a covered over crime wave in the UK fuelled by immigration.
In addition we are overcrowding the UK to a point of danger even social unrest, see Optimum Population Control in the 2nd link below
Perhaps above all the people now coming to the UK are here for the first time in the whole of human history from the Middle East,Africa and the Indian Sub Continent in massive numbers.A few came years ago but not on this scale. We may have 2.5 million Muslims alone in the UK now. (1,7 + illegals)
Real British are deeply annoyed about this and it may get out of hand
Illegals and greedy businesses benefit. Citizens suffer.
actually you covered it pretty well. the only ones who benefit from them being here are the ones who illegally employ them, their own country and the ones who are benefitting from the free stuff like welfare. I figured it up and they must purchase at least $150,000 worth of things they pay sales tax on to pay for 1 anchor baby’s delivery..delivery only..not pre natal or post natal or c sections, etc..that’s at a cost of $13,000 a baby. and how can people think they actually pay in that much. that is $2900 a week in taxes.. what a joke.
yo latinos also pay taxes not all have welfare you think because some people do that that they all do it nope your wronge let me tell you something there is latinos that have houses and have cars and have everything and they have to pay taxes they have to like any other person and if you say that is a lie nope its not because i have to pay all those thingss ok so dont get it twisted
you should shut up that is what you should do you sound racest and very dirty and nasty for saying those lie
and i bet you proababhly do live in welfare
get a a life